11 - June Veggie Gardening- Willamette Valley #2


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Brooke Edmunds  0:05  
Thanks for joining us for another OSU Extension garden q&a. This episode focuses on vegetable gardening in the Willamette Valley and features Benton County Master Gardeners suta Mingus, Jennifer Coloma, Emily, Herb and Elizabeth records. The session was recorded live online on June 23 2020.

Emily Herb  0:24  
My name is Emily Herb and I'm a Master Gardener. I've been a Master Gardener for only about a year maybe it'll maybe it's getting on longer than that I keep saying one year. And today what we are doing is answering your vegetable gardening questions. And we've done this several times now. And it was kind of our response in the master gardening world to, to not being able to do anything outside in the garden in person and So way back in March We came up with the idea that this was a way that we could be relevant and kind of rise to the occasion and meet people where they were at with their interest in gardening, which we've noticed has been quite a bit more this year as people are, are staying home. And so we will do our very best to answer any questions that you have. And if we can't answer your question, we will research it and email you back. And also, if you've given us your email address, we will be emailing you some other resources as well at the end of this big QA. And so I'm gonna let Jennifer and Sue introduce themselves as well. And then we will see if we have any questions.

Jennifer Klammer  1:47  
I'm Jennifer Klammer. I've been a Master Gardener trained in 2011 and I garden both at home and also in church garden called the giving garden and we have 31 beds there that are devoted into devoted to edibles. So not just vegetables there's also fruits. So we have strawberries, raspberries, blackberries, blueberries in a small orchard with 12 trees in it 13 now 13 and I love to cook and make things fresh. I'm kind of known as in my family is the salad snob so they always say we're doing a potluck Jennifer bring salad

Sue Domingues  2:31  
My name is Sue Domingus and I've been a Master Gardener since I think it's 2007. I also manage a really large 35,000 square foot donation garden attached low income Latino garden but we grow a lot of vegetables we have also a small orchard with also some strawberries and blueberries and we grow a lot of vegetables, and I grow a lot of vegetables in my house to at my house. So we're here to talk about growing vegetables mostly.

Emily Herb  3:10  
Right. And I, I forgot to say that if you do have questions, go ahead and type them in the chat. And that's the best way for us to moderate them. But yeah, Elizabeth, you want to introduce yourself as well?

Elizabeth Records  3:23  
Yeah, so I'm Elizabeth Records. I'm a staff person with extension. And I get to work with Master Gardener volunteers on fun projects like this, and responding to garden questions from people throughout when in Benton County, and today I'm here more as a helper, but I might pipe up if there's questions that I know the answer to. And I'm also going to be putting references to the stuff we're talking about into the chat. So those that are joining us on zoom can see links, links to the things that we're talking about today.

Emily Herb  4:00  
Yeah, so if there are any questions, you can go ahead and type them in or if you want to speak them out loud, you could do that as well. Maybe while we wait, we could just go around and talk about what is going on in the vegetable garden right now, for a for Jennifer and Sue and myself and Elizabeth. That's a good way to talk about where we're at here as we are coming into the latter weeks of June, what, what we're planning what we're harvesting and what we're planning on planting. So anybody want to go for that?

Jennifer Klammer  4:37  
Oh, I had an interesting week. Last week. This is a pest problem. I know Sue is our usual pest expert, but she might be able to give me some tips. The previous week we had planted out squash and cucumbers that we had grown from seed so I have a four H club as well and so they raised Start seedlings starts in the greenhouse. And we always wait till June when it's plenty warm, so we don't shock them. So it was still a little bit early for the melons, but squashes and cucumber, certainly it was good timing for them anyway, and we meet weekly and last week, I was done with harvesting lettuce and all the rich bounty of things I happen to walk by the squash. They were covered, covered with these little beetles that were yellow and black and the leaves were like lace. It was I've never seen that kind of infestation with cucumber beetles. So, of course, you know, do I have time to look this up kind of sort of and do a brief look up and beetles. Anyway, they said you could hand squish them. So I sat there and with my muddy gloves on, it was quite funny. I squished all these cucumber beetles, they would fly up would come back. And so that I move from plant to plant switching these little cucumber beetles. And you can see on the leaves there with my little brown fingerprints of where I had smashed things. So then I came back the next day and I did that three times last week because I just thought, you know, we're harvesting in the adjacent bed, lettuces and other things, and I just don't really like to spray when so many kids are around. So, but this week coming back, I'm happy to say I only saw one cucumber beetle, and it was not on the squashes. It was on a calendula plan, so I still killed it. But um, so I, you know, it was satisfying to be able to use a hand method. And there was a lot of new growth this week. I mean, it was amazing. I mean, you could hardly tell where those basic cutout ones were because all the new ones were above and over it. So cucumber beetles you can go by, I don't know what other ideas that are possible ways to control cucumber beetles. You're muted.

Sue Domingues  7:07  
I have a comment on cucumber beetles. We like I've managed community gardens in the past and one time everybody was getting out the cucumbers. And I noticed that in melons and and squash, and I noticed as I walked around the garden that the ones that didn't look like they were really, really like, you know, green healthy plants. Those were the ones that the cucumber beetles were on. So I walked around the garden and I found that those were the ones that always had the cucumber beetles, whereas, you know, some of the ones that were really nice and green and healthy, they may have had one on them but the ones that were really a little bit yellow and pale. So I what I do when I plant my cucumbers or anything in that family, I usually use a little bit of dilute fish fertilizer. When I plant them just so that they get a little extra boost when I first get them in the ground, so, but squishing them

Jennifer Klammer  8:08  
is the way to go. Oh no. So I looked it up and they said, vacuum them on the garden home I get that vacuum up it also that was impractical. That's why I did the hand squishing thing but yeah, okay, first fish for later get them healthy to start with. So we have anchors here. Sorry, give

Unknown Speaker  8:26  
me a minute to

Elizabeth Records  8:28  
to get on. So, to folks listening. In the zoom in on Facebook Live we have a question from a gardener. They're asking about a couple of different critters including slugs, green worms and ants. And they've been using diatomaceous earth to try and control these pests, but they're concerned about harm to beneficial insects such as honeybees. Any thoughts to share about ways to deal with slugs. Little Green, more And adds, and whether diatomaceous earth is something where we should be mindful of potential impacts to beneficial insects.

Unknown Speaker  9:12  
I mean, I'm kind of new to this business but diatomaceous earth, I believe it's just the abrasiveness of it is what messes up the slugs? I wouldn't think I mean, without having to do some research, I guess, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't think that it would affect bees or pollinators. It's mostly on the ground and it's the abrasiveness that messes up the slug, I thought.

Sue Domingues  9:38  
Um, one thing that, um, those little green worms are probably on the brassica family, you know, cabbages and broccolis and all those things. And if you look around your garden and you see those white moths that fly around, sometimes they have a couple dots like dark dots on them. Those are the cabbage moth. And those go around your breath. Because I lay eggs and then they turn into little green larva that eat big holes in your brassicas, and those I sometimes get my grandkids to run around with Butterfly nets to try to keep them off my bras because you could use netting for sure, but also squishing those worms on those is a really easy way to control them because usually there's you know, one big worm on a plant and not like you know, usually not that many just you know, one or two maybe and they're pretty easy to squish. But

Jennifer Klammer  10:38  
the harder thing is to find them though because they are green and they blend in the slugs I think are easier. Last week after it rained on Monday. There were slugs all over these beautiful cauliflower heads. And I looked down I was like what is wrong with the top of that color. It was like again, sort of lazy looking because it had been eaten down. To the flower at more. So they I'm looking in the legs. There were like three slugs inside the head. So I use chopsticks a lot in the garden to plant seeds and stuff. Oh, there was another volunteer there. I said you start on that end of the bed. I'll start on this end of the event. So we picked them out and we took them to the friend's house who has chickens and I said, Hey, I brought some snacks with slugs included your chickens just like you want us to my yard. Thanks a lot. So this question, can you hear me? Yeah, this question is mine. And I my neighbor kind of said go pick up all the slugs and put them in a plastic ziplock and that's what I've been doing and throwing them away. But they've been getting huge and they just get all over everything and they slime it of course, but I think both the green worms and the slugs were eating my cabbage Is that right?

Emily Herb  12:01  
Yeah, probably. It is. And I think that you can go two ways on this stuff myself I, I will use what's called bt back to Phyllis 30 aside, I think it is, which is a spray, it's considered organic, you can buy it at bio Mart. And that's what I use to control the cabbage worm, those little green worms and also the white mops. And so especially when I have new plantings of my brassicas, broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, etc. Um, I feel like that's when those white moths and the worms that come after can be a lot more destructive to them. And so when those are babies when I've just put in my new little starts, I will make up a batch of that and I just have a little hand sprayer that I that I also got or you can use just a regular stick squirt bottle with the BT two and just go over them and then that can really help those little brassicas survive to the No.

Unknown Speaker  13:08  
Oh, so are you doing the ground or the

Emily Herb  13:12  
plant leaves. So you do plant and I try to pick a time you know where I'm not going to water again right away and wash it right off. So just to give it a little time to stick on it. So I'll do that for the brassicas and then I will again, especially when I have new starts, I will use the sluggo which Jennifer knows the scientific name of

Jennifer Klammer  13:39  
phosphate, iron

Emily Herb  13:41  
phosphate. Oh, is that all it is? Yeah. And it is also considered a pet safe and organic. And I don't I'm I haven't had that issue that Jennifer's talking about where I get my big head of broccoli or cauliflower and then I'm getting destroyed by slugs, if I did that, I might consider also using it when they're older. But usually what happens to me is if I can grow the plant up big enough, then it can survive. I get I haven't gotten the big slugs like it sounds like you're dealing with I kind of have more of those little ones, for sure. Then when I am chopping open my cabbage or chopping open my cauliflower, you know, I'll find those little buddies in there, but they haven't managed to take out the whole plant. And so I kind of use this in between space of, I don't want to be out there spraying and throwing sluggo all the time. It's expensive. It takes a lot of time. But I will do it to get my plants to the point where I feel like they can fend it off. And I also now have my best friend's son coming over and using the badminton racquet on the cabinet, which I learned here from Zoo and he likes it. I like it and it really seems to me dissuades those carpets moss from thinking that my garden is the place to be.

Jennifer Klammer  15:05  
And I'm gonna put that on my goodwill. Is it a good

Emily Herb  15:14  
thing you wanted to add? I saw your hand up there.

Unknown Speaker  15:17  
No, actually, I was adjusting the light. So

Elizabeth Records  15:22  
I do have something that speaks a little bit to Leah's question about beneficial insects such as bees potentially being harmed by diatomaceous earth. And I've shared some resources in the chat that talks about what diatomaceous earth is, insects, frogs that are particularly susceptible to it tend to be ones that are extra soft bodied, and it mentions here, things such as sow bugs, millipedes, slugs, cockroaches and ants. So then there's another resource that I did share, which is how to reduce costs. B poisoning from pesticides from OSU Extension. And there's a table in there on page 19. That does list diatomaceous earth as being somewhat toxic to bees out of three categories where there's highly toxic to no B precautionary statement. So it's kind of in the middle in terms of whether it would harm a honeybee. And I guess my thought is kind of like, where is it that you're applying it? If it's being applied directly to a flower that's in bloom or something? I would be concerned about potential impacts to bees. If it's being applied to soil or someplace where you would put it down to deter slugs. I would say that the risks to bees are probably fairly low. But you can refer to that document if you'd like to get some more details.

Unknown Speaker  16:47  
Thank you.

Emily Herb  16:48  
Yeah, I I agree with that. I have a little bit more to say about diatomaceous earth I forgot that we were talking about it. But yeah, it um, my understanding of it is that The particles are kind of like clay particles, and that they can get into the exoskeletons of the insects. And yeah, rub them and kill them that way I have chickens and it's recommended with chickens that you put diatomaceous earth out because it will get into the ticks and the other bugs that we'll get with chickens. But something we should be mindful of is that it is clay like substance and so you don't want to over add it to your soil because then you're increasing our tendency that we already have around here while I'm at Valley, which is the clay soil. And, and so I use I used it sparingly, and it also has that risk of you don't want to breathe it in. Because similar to clay dust, those particles can get into your lungs. It's a silicosis situation in the lung, so I used to have a big bag of it. I didn't myself find it terribly effective. So I, I have not been using it in recent years, but that's just anecdotal.

Unknown Speaker  18:07  
I actually started using that at first because I lost several starts because ants attacked the roots.

Unknown Speaker  18:16  
And I'm new to Willamette Valley and I just had I lost a whole bunch of starts to the ants. So any any ideas on ants

Sue Domingues  18:26  
or on burn works really good with ants or borax? And like they they sell these little like, little plastic little cups or containers that the ants actually go in that's the active ingredient is boron and and so then other animals don't get it. So if if Boris is toxic to other animals, the you know the answer the ones that go into those, and I put those at one time we had a problem with ants in our strawberries. And I put those like along the edges of the bed and they really attracted the ants. And then the ants carry the boron and bring it back to their nest and they die. So it's a really good way to get rid of ants.

Elizabeth Records  19:15  
One thought that I'll add about answers that there's many different types of ants. They specialize in different types of food, and you'll find them in different places. So the same one that's going into the Sugar Bowl in your kitchen may be a different app than the one that might be going after plants in your garden. But if you have a good picture of the ants, or if you could describe them to us, maybe we can communicate after this live session, then we can try to hone in on what kind of debt you have, and some of the most effective ways to get rid of it. But yeah, products made with borax are a possibility to consider. One thing to think about is just tried to exclude ads from where your garden is at Sorry, that ended up sounding like trying to keep ants out of the whole garden. But I was thinking about a situation where you're like maybe starting plants in a tray or something. And you could put that tray in a pan of water to keep the ants from getting to the plants. Often we hear from people where they're in the dog food or the cat food. And so we recommend putting like a moat around the pet food bowl. So sometimes it's just sort of a barrier or deterrent when those plants are at the most vulnerable stage. And for those who are joining us in the zoom, I am going to share a link about pest control for ants from National Pesticide Information Center.

Emily Herb  20:44  
Yes, and if anybody has any questions, feel free to type them in the chat and we can do our best to answer them. Before we got we got into that interesting pest conversation first. We were talking About cucumber beetles with Jennifer and then we launched into slugs and cabbage moths and everything because of Leah's question. So it is. So what's going on in your garden these days? What are you planting or harvesting or planning to plant?

Sue Domingues  21:17  
we're harvesting lots and lots of brassicas right now. cauliflower and broccoli and cabbages actually we've just started and lots of chard and kale and lettuce. And yeah, so I we just planted are a plant so we're kind of late with a blanket now but finally we got the a plant out. And we just got our Bazell out. So we're kind of little behind but everything will catch up I'm sure. Yeah,

Emily Herb  21:54  
I was just planting my Bazell this morning as well. I've been holding it in the green house because I didn't have a place for it to go, the peppers took priority and the peppers got to go in where some of my brassicas came out. So I got all those wonderful peppers into and but then I didn't have a place for the basil but I don't think it's quite time to take the garlic out. And so I was yeah kind of fitting fitting the basil in around and then I took the rest of it out of the greenhouse and put it under the apple tree so that it can survive the heat today I thought nothing should be in the greenhouse anymore. Or at least I don't want to be out there watering it three times a day so that it could survive. Um, so that's Yeah, that was his what's going on in my garden. I harvested quite a number of cabbages this morning so I could put basil in where the cabbages are in so now after this call, I'm gonna go downstairs and make some sauerkraut and put it in my fermenting crock because Cuz that's what I have to do, just because those cabbages had to come out.

Sue Domingues  23:07  
You know, I actually pulled my garlic just a few days ago. Last year, I kind of waited a little longer to pull my garlic and a lot of it started, like coming apart, like split on a little bit. So it didn't store that well. So I went out like about a week earlier and pulled some garlic and it was really tiny. And I thought, No, this isn't ready yet. But then I went out again just a few days ago, and pulled beautiful garlic. So I pulled all my garlic out, and none of it was splitting, which was really nice. And I think that I was kind of afraid that if it rained again, it would start you know, coming apart and growing shoots on it. So I did pull all my garlic and it's nice.

Emily Herb  23:49  
That's really nice too, because I when I I looked in, I'm very poor at like, journaling about my garden like I always have really good intention to keep notes and that sort of thing. And I know this is one of the things that's holding me back, because I know that if I took good notes that I would improve, because that would help me remember what I've done well, but anyway, I get too busy and I don't journal well. But I can look at pictures a lot of the time and I was looking at a picture from last year. And I saw that I did harvest my garlic more at the beginning of June. And I got that was really nice big garlic that I got last year. But when I peeked at my garlic this year, it didn't look like it was very big. I'm ready. So I left it in. And so I'm glad to hear that maybe it has grown in the past couple weeks like yours has I didn't know if it was possible for garlic to put on like a sudden growth spurt here at the end of its lifecycle. But maybe so and then maybe I can get that in bed back. Which is what I really want is the garlic out so that I can plant some more things. I think that I'll do another a second planting of pull beans. And I was also considering the second planting of corn. So that's those are my plans about if I get to get that garlic out and put some other stuff in that's that's the direction that I'm going to go here at the end of June because we're it's not quite time for us to put in our fall brassicas right. We'll be talking about that more in July.

Jennifer Klammer  25:31  
So I have another pest problem in the garden you mentioned your green beans I have planted once again. This is a four foot by 12 foot green bean bed in a in a garden where we volunteer and donate much of the produce to the local food banks. So we put in a full bed at a time so when volunteers come it's easy to harvest and and deal with However, the last two years we've had issues on multiple levels. Last year, your gear were crashing through the fence. And so that was a deer problem this year. The first time we seeded it, I think it was a little too wet. I mean, we had all that right. We had so much rain, right?

Emily Herb  26:21  

Jennifer Klammer  26:22  
Yeah. So even though I put sluggo down, so I do use Lego for beings early on. Even though I put sluggo down it, they didn't come up very well and they got eaten and then the next time we seeded beans, so we have one row that's the trellis on the north side so they don't block the trellis big beans, and then the the bush beans on lower side because if you plant them at the same time, the whole beans generally take about two weeks later harvest than the bush beans and so we do succession planning with two halves The bush beans. Anyway, second planting they were coming up fine. Oh, so I put on I put down sluggo and I thought oh, it's kind of I'm not sure what else is going on here. Maybe birds are an issue so I had put down that fabric stuff with this out of my head remain and they came up gorgeous. So then I thought oh these are up are good. They're big enough slugs aren't gonna eat them. So I took off the resume. Come back if you do laners and the all of them were pulled out. I mean, it was not me slugs. Do not pull out beans. I'm pretty sure it was birds. Anyway. Yeah. And this time we come to the garden this morning. They're cut off about six inches up. So I suspect there's two in there. You need a scarecrow. scarecrow the scarecrows work on rabbits. I put down repels all which is has a sulfur smelly bases so it's supposedly repels deer and rabbits and other mammals birds and stuff. Oh good Elizabeth Houseman so this suggests

Elizabeth Records  28:27  
I for Master Gardeners I know you've heard me say this before but so far I've had good luck with emotion activated sprinkler. And again, I would need to see if there's any extension resources to say that this is actually studied or something and say like, yes, there's a good chance that this will work. In my garden, it's been pretty effective for deterring deer and I occasional door to door sales people and think, Well, no, I mean, I'm joking. You can set it so it only goes on at night or when deer and other creatures features like that or doubt. I've not tried it with animals such as rabbits or cats. So I don't know if you can set it to work for smaller animals. That particular time that I have. But yeah, it's been quite effective for deer.

Emily Herb  29:16  
Yeah, I, when I first moved to the house that I'm at now it's it's a pretty big piece of property and it wasn't initially fenced. We got right on the fence, but we had a deer problem the first the first summer that we were here, and so we actually invested in quite a number of those motion detection sprinklers and kind of had it we had them My husband is great with attaching all the hoses and stuff so we had to, like set up in series. And yeah, it was real, real bad if you as a person forgot that they were on and traipsed out there in the night in your pajama and got shot by you know, like three, six Excessive motion detectors sprinklers, but it was effective. I mean, and we were able to survive a whole summer of, of deer with those motion detectors sprinklers, they're a little bit expensive. But he my husband was even able to like when they would stop working or have issues sometimes the motion detector piece or we have irrigation well which the water is a little hard and so sometimes they're get a film on it and need to be cleaned, but he was able to like take them apart and clean them and put it back together. So they're pretty robust product that I don't know Jennifer that kind of stuff. When past when birds and other things start getting my food like that I get so mad. I and I, I'm willing to put out the big bucks for a solution where they're not gonna things are not getting to my stuff.

Elizabeth Records  30:57  
I have almost more than one kind of solution right now. It's good for the deer. Maybe it's the Renae for the birds and things such as flea beetles. Mm hmm. It's Yeah, it's for rabbits. Gosh, having a really robust fence has been the only solution that I found when I lived in a really rural area next to a national area that had a large number of rabbits, and having that fence be buried by several inches, at least because they can dig dig out of the fence, Peter Rabbit style for those who remember the childhood books, but

Emily Herb  31:37  
I have a nutria problem because I live right on a creek. And so this fence that I'm talking about lines the whole Creek and indeed our fence goes down into the soil and other stuff like we've put roofing flashing and other stuff down into the soil and that can keeps out the adult nutria but I'm afraid that kind of late in the summer, right when I want to put my fall, my fall plantings in my baby cabbages and brassicas and everything. That's when the nutrients have their babies. And the babies are small enough that they can get through our fencing. I mean, even though our fencing is just like that, I don't know, one by three, one by four, it's not very big, but those darn babies can get through. And last year, they took out all of my fall, planting all of it just, it was horrible. And it made me so mad and it made me so sad to even get up in the morning and take my garden tour because every morning I would just see that destruction and then they started in on my, my adult kale and other stuff and it just looked like it looked like a deer or an elephant had been Cuz it just like, right down through the middle of them. And I don't know what I'm going to do this year. So if anybody out there has a suggestion for me on nutria, maybe, maybe the cloth stuff, maybe something like that would would help keep them away, I don't know,

Elizabeth Records  33:20  
I would almost say to get like a hardware cloth with a smaller gauge to it, like one that's has a small enough hole that even like a mouse can get through. I've used those to keep rodents out of my chicken coop and like attach that at the base of the fence so that they just can't walk through like that. Yeah, we could look at what Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife has to say. But my understanding from some past researches that nutria can't really climb or jump all that well. So a relatively short fence. Yeah, efficient to exclude them, as you probably discovered, right. So maybe just closing Some of those gaps in the bottom of the fence on hand. Some folks want to allow beneficial wildlife in and out of their yard right fences that close off. passage to wildlife can can be harmful to wildlife and biodiversity. And so if you do live in a more rural area and there's wildlife that are not actively harming your garden, that's something to consider. But if it were me I would probably put down that

Unknown Speaker  34:28  
Yeah, we're close with age.

Unknown Speaker  34:33  

Sue Domingues  34:34  
You know, it's interesting because I have nutrient my yard because I live across the street from a wetlands and we get I think we get every animal that is alive comes through our yard, we get deer and nutria we get raccoons. We get rats we get mice Of course, we get possum, but um, it's mostly like I don't have a good like, I can't usually find any evidence that the new tear doing damage even though I've seen them in my yard or crossing from my yard into the wetlands, but the Raccoons are what come and eat the grapes. They go up into my grave fines and they eat the grapes. So that's that's more serious than you know any nutria damage that I've noticed anyway but

Emily Herb  35:23  
I wonder if they have more to eat in the Westlands there. You know my nutria on Dickson Creek which is quite a urban for Corvallis. They might just have less food and so see my garden as more as an opportunity. They'll eat tomatoes as well. Right tomatoes horrible to go out in and out. Big bites in my tomatoes. Ah, yeah, raccoons. We get raccoons as well that eat the grapes because there's grapes on that same fence that are on the Creek and we get possum I worry about the raccoons. We've had raccoons kill chickens and ducks.

Unknown Speaker  36:08  

Emily Herb  36:11  
So more thoughts about what's going on out there in the garden. I have a lot of cherries right now. And I'm kind of having a hard time keeping up with picking all of those and so it's it's interesting we are certainly I'm in a in a wave of harvests that is about brassicas and cherries. I also have a lot of parsley. I'm going to try drying some of my parsley in my food dehydrator. today. My husband was downstairs, sniffing it nicely to go into the food dehydrator. So it isn't it is a time of abundance beets. I've a lot of beets too. Yeah, Elizabeth.

Elizabeth Records  36:52  
Yeah. So I did just have a question come in, again from Leah. So Leah writes, I've noticed tiny frogs in my car. And have let them be I think they're helping controller eat some of the insects. Do they hibernate when it gets dry? and Leah mentioned that she's new to Oregon recently from Arizona. I'm thinking Pacific tree frogs are likely with these frogs are and I can share a link to an image of them and more about their habits and lifecycle. But if any of you are familiar with these frogs or frogs, this natural insect control, I'd be curious to hear what you had to say.

Sue Domingues  37:34  
There's some frogs that delete insects. I mean, I think that that's usually their diet, but I'm not that familiar and I've had tree frogs in my yard, but right now I have I have a pond in my yard, a little tiny pond, but we have a frog that lives in there, but it's not a tree frog. So usually we see treif up frogs around in wetter areas of the yard. But now this is a different kind of frog.

Emily Herb  38:02  
I don't know about frogs I I have snakes I have garter snakes that I live in my garden and they they're good guys as well for eating slugs and bugs and that sort of thing. I always scream when I see them, but I try to control myself because I know that they're my friends even though I my body doesn't react like they are my friends. Especially when I use straw and that sort of thing in the garden. They seem to really like the straw, and I've been putting some straws I've been killing my potatoes until I know that probably some of my friendly snakes are they're gonna slither out and scare me one of these days pretty soon.

Elizabeth Records  38:47  
So I'll just add one more comment about frogs. So I was looking at something from our extension wildlife biologist Dana Sanchez and Dr. Sanchez says that a likely frog might be the Pacific chorus frog. And periodically extension does hear from people that are complaining about loud frogs in their ponds, and the frog is keeping them from sleeping. It's kind of like, well, frogs are usually regarded as beneficial. And, you know, you could purchase some earplugs or something for the couple of weeks that they usually wear, you know, we try to have empathy. But usually our responses pretty much like this is a problem that will go you know, is periodic and will go away. It's not a real problem. But yeah, for folks that actually want to, again, increase wildlife habitat in their garden, you can actually build a pond to attract frogs. And I did share a link for those who are with us on zoom about how to do that. And if you are joining us on Facebook live, you can search the internet for how to build a simple pond for native frogs with OSU Extension, and you should be able to have that pop right up Ah, Yeah, frogs are, are usually considered a good thing to have in a garden. Frogs as we know, are sensitive to a lot of chemicals and manmade things in the environment. So if there's frogs around, it's usually a sign of good water quality and a healthy environment

Sue Domingues  40:20  
in frogs and snakes do hibernate in Oregon or at least in the Willamette Valley in the wintertime.

Jennifer Klammer  40:28  
So one of the things I've learned in the last couple of years is about providing water for bees also. So the four H club we have has to be hives, and we try to keep fresh water available for the bees and we use a shallow spray I guess, and put some rocks and wood and other things so that they won't drown and it Usually we fill it up you know with the watering can and stuff but sounds like it would be a cool thing to try to make a palm blank thing to attract wildlife. I like the idea of attracting snakes and I do have a lizard and same thing I try not to scream when I see it. It definitely moves differently than a snake. It's about Oh, it's probably close to 12 inches long. But um yeah, it's been in my yard a couple summers I have a retaining wall that faces itself. I think it likes to sun there. So I started with every time I go into garbage burn at home, but I think it's a good idea to be able to provide water and other shelter and stuff for pollinators and wildlife and to increase the diversity in the in the garden.

Emily Herb  41:53  
And I think I'm a first I want to say that I see we have several new people who have joined Call recently and so I'd really encourage anybody who has any kind of a question to type it into the chat because we're just kind of chatting away in the in the absence of a question right now so if you have a question please be brave and type it in there and we'll do our best with it. But I, I love to see all the life in my garden and I really take it as a sign that I I am creating a healthy space because I've seen an increase in that kind of bug and pollinator and bird diversity in my garden over the years that I have been here. We have a lot of hummingbirds right now. I don't have any feeders out for them but they they find us and it's wonderful to see them come down and alight right on some of the flowers that that we have. I also try to keep shallow water around. My husband has a beehive. One that's going really strong this year and so it's so exciting to see all of those bees in the garden and they they really feel to me like they're our, our home hive. You know, these are our bees and I feel a sense of connection with them this morning. I have some of those bread poppies. You know the poppies that if you shake later, they're the kind that you can put on us and Nicola nary way and I swear I tried to get a picture Elizabeth for the Master Gardener pollinator thing. We're supposed to submit pictures about pollinators. There were in a puppy that was like this, there was probably six beads rolling around and they're just rolling around and all over it and the other one too. I'm just and so it's so exciting to me to see that. That life in the garden we have a nest I think it's a Western oriel a bird nest that's in the tree this year. I've never seen Not before. So just really exciting to see the life. Lots of dragonflies right now as well. I've noticed just like in the past week that the dragonflies are buzzing around all over the place.

Elizabeth Records  44:13  
I'll just add a couple more thoughts and I like where this conversation is going with a sort of a bent to having a garden that's suitable for us and also making it friendly for wildlife in so far as it's not, you know, nutrients and all the tomatoes. And as some of you may know, I had a former life as a Land Steward of natural areas. So this stuff is close to my heart. But I've shared for those who are joining us on zoom, a couple of publications. And you can find these if you're joining us on facebook live by searching for the tiles I'm about to mention. So there's a brand new publication called enhancing urban and suburban landscapes to protect pollinators. And that's fine double at OSU Extension. catalog online. It's a free catalog of publications based on cool research that folks at OSU are doing. And it's distilled into a form that everyday gardeners and other folks can use it. And then one other really good publication is nurturing mason bees in your backyard and Western Oregon. And both of those will have some really good ideas for plants you can plant that will be beneficial to bees and other pollinators doing things like Jennifer was describing to make it so bees can access water, and other good stuff like that.

Jennifer Klammer  45:37  
So I was excited to see today when I was in the garden, the blue I don't know how to pronounce it. It's either blue Julia D ay ay ay, ay ay ay ay ay. Which is supposedly the one of the more useful pollinator plants because it attracts a wide variety of Different pollinator insect and so kind of by accident, it was next to some white Yarrow. So Yarrow is the perennial and blue Gilley is an annual so it seeds around. And fortunately I did not weed out all the bluegill yet because last year was the first year that I had it. And I was later instructed that I had to kill your babies a lot. So I was really happy to see them blooming now. There were oh and there's borage in there also. So it's not all natives. It's a pollinator garden, but it's natives and non native, so there's borage in there as well. So the board had more of the honeybees and bumble bees and the blue Delia had these, both bees, but also these little hevery things. And then you can tell I'm not an entomologist. Yarrow had a lot of the little smaller buzzy things that. So it's really exciting in a very small strip. So it's probably, well not really small, but it's probably 10 feet by three foot area where I had just kind of sprinkled in and planted individual plants. Last year, it was really exciting to see that kind of diversity in sex. No, I don't know what they're called. It was it was good to see you.

Emily Herb  47:27  
I have a question. Um, because I'm starting I need to get out my planting calendar again soon and start thinking about what's coming up next. And I have I've done my fault planting a couple different ways. Sometimes I tried to direct sow seeds of the fall brassicas right out into the garden, and sometimes I go back and do the seating under, under my grow lights. Try to get them going that way. And I wonder if anybody has experience with that, or you know, would say one way is better than the other. I find that if I direct so outside, sometimes those don't make it because of the bugs and the slugs and everything that is going on in the summer, but then when I try to do it under the lights, sometimes the room that I have the lights in is so warm, that things get leggy and don't seem as strong as I want them to be. And so I wonder if anybody has any tips for me about starting those fall plants, which is something that we'll be do doing here fairly soon. In the next month or so.

Sue Domingues  48:46  
I usually start all my brassicas in the hoop house. So it's a little different than inside under lights. But you know it's it's more controlled environment there because I can water the Every day, you know, with the irrigation system that we have, and I can get them started and then they're big enough to get them out so that yes, slugs don't get them or whatever. Sometimes aphids sometimes the brassicas get attacked by aphids in the fall, it seems. So it seems like if I can get them nice and healthy, and then I mean, I don't think you have to leave them in the house, I think you could bring them out and leave them in, you know, some kind of a little bit of shade in your garden or in your yard somewhere and they can not, you know, not get too leggy outside because

Emily Herb  49:38  
that's a good idea. Maybe even just germinating under the lights and then start taking them outside and their trays so that they have a more. Yeah, so it's not as warm. I have a pottery studio in the back. And that's where my grow lights are. And sometimes Yeah, that little house because it's just a little, a little place. heats up in the summer, it gets real warm in there. Whereas it gets way too warm. When I turn the kiln on. I should absolutely take things out at that point. But I bet that I'll take some mindfulness that sometimes I laugh during the growing season because my mind really is going all different directions of harvesting and planting and growing and my attention to detail can start waning.

Elizabeth Records  50:25  
But we do have a question that came in from Lauren about a fungus. So I'm going to read the question and see if this is something that any of you have encountered. So yesterday morning, I suddenly found a fungus bloom on the ground around my carrots in the hoop house. I watered it heavily in it looks almost gone this morning. Is it bad for the veggies? So I asked Lauren, what does this fungus look like? And the answer is a little bit disgusting. So just keep that in mind since maybe over lunchtime, but this scription was like forming it with a little frowny face so a nasty looking fungus around these carrots and a big one too. It says one said about a foot wide. Um Has anyone who grows a hoop house seen something like this or do you have any about it?

Emily Herb  51:16  
Oh me vomit.

Sue Domingues  51:22  
Um, I know that funguses grow you know fungi grow in like usually a certain kind of compost like so if you're using a lot of like leaves in and that sort of thing. You can get a lot of fungus type of plants growing so it probably has something to do with what you're using for compost and what the base of the compost is. But I haven't had any problem with fungus in the hoop house.

Jennifer Klammer  51:51  
So So do you have a circulating fan and your hoop house are now

Elizabeth Records  51:57  
I guess I would just add a few thoughts about fungus appearing in a hoop house like that. And these were based on some research I recently did for problem fungus in a in a lawn. So in this context, it was like fungus growing on some decomposing tree roots that were left in the lawn. So especially if there is like Woody mulches, or if it's really moist, that could be an environment that favors fungus, especially with warmer weather, I could see how a hoop house could gather extra moisture and fungus could pop up that otherwise might remain dormant. So I would think about trying to keep that hoop house well ventilated, especially on some of these warmer days. When I think about questions of Is it bad for the veggies? I'm almost like so Master Gardeners categorically don't deal in mushrooms because we're not mycologists there are toxic mushrooms out there. And to it would just be something that we're not qualified to advise on. So one thing to think about might be just share a picture with your local mycological society. If you're in Lennar Benton County that's most likely the cascade Michael illogical society. That said, if it's sort of growing on the surface, and it's not touching the veggies, most likely it would be safe to harvest eat those veggies. But yeah, if you have to like drag the veggie through the fungus to get it, I would think about maybe trying to scrape that fungus off the surface of the ground before before you harvest the carrots. And usually the answer for unwanted mushrooms is to just remove them by hand versus try to spray them with something or treat them with something. Oh and I see a comment from from Leah Carson. We have found an article about fungus As dog vomit fungus, I'm gonna see what I can find from from extension. But I guess this stuff does have have a name. Yeah, so just so you know, we're with OSU Extension. So the resources that we're sharing are all from university or a research based background. So that we're offering you something that comes from someone without a dog in the fight, so to say. But, but yeah, that's intriguing. That makes me want to do a little bit more research. I'd like to move on from Lauren's question, but I'm gonna do a little more research. And if I find a good resource, I'll offer that in the chat for Lauren to look at. And maybe we can circle back as our conversation starts to wrap up here. And I do see that we're at about 1254. So we have time for maybe one more question.

Emily Herb  54:59  
Yeah, I agree. I've seen vomity looking fungus in my yard, but never in association with my vegetables like I, I have seen it in some of my other planted beds and, and it yeah, it seems to run a lifecycle where it didn't take over anything but it was there one day and gone the next and it kind of sounds like that situation to that you watered it a little bit and it was pretty much gone. And yeah, I would just watch that area and if it doesn't seem to affect the carrots or the, the the greenery of your carrots that are growing that probably eventually you could you know feel like you've taken care of it. But like Elizabeth said, we don't know much about about these things. So any last any last words for the end of the June garden. Oh Elizabeth,

Elizabeth Records  55:56  
I do just have one more morsel of wisdom For Lauren, so I did look on Washington State University extensions website. And they did share a picture of this fungus with a little bit of information about it. But yeah, apparently it inspired the movie, the blob, that's research based information for you. But it's actually a slime mold and there's over 900 species of slime molds worldwide. And so it's, it's talking about here what would be the best way to get rid of this and they said if you do not enjoy the slime molds appearance, you can carefully scoop it up using a pitchfork or shovel and dispose of it in a bag. Many sources will recommend spraying it with a hose, this will destroy the microorganism structure but will actually will not actually remove the problem. In fact, it will spread the spores so it can proliferate in a larger area. So the recommendation is pretty much just to scoop this up. Put it In the bag and then trash it. I hope that was helpful, Lauren, and thank you for for offering us some like preschool level grossness so that we can regress a little bit as we're talking about serious garden matters.

See a smiley face from Lauren. Thank you, Lauren. Nice.

Emily Herb  57:29  
Okay, well, we're having one of our hotter days of our year here so far. I think it's, I've been feeling like this spring and early summer is reminds me of the ones of my childhood where we don't really get that very many really warm days before the Fourth of July, and that it's after the Fourth of July but it feels like real summer has started. Kind of referring to do a lot of that rain that we were getting Jennifer. And even with this one hot day that we're getting where we're supposed to get up to 90, it's not supposed to stay up there. So I'm not going to put up the pool yet myself. And so it's just our job to keep everything alive and doing well on this hot day until we cooled back down again. So I think it's an interesting Oregon year that we're having, and which puts me back in mind at my cherries as well is that a lot of I have a lot of rot up there, the cherries because of how much rain we've been getting. And so that makes the picking of the cherries not very much fun, because you can't just grab a big handful of cherries, you have to grab a handful of cherries, and then check out all the ones that are moldy, lest I'm giving my friends buckets of moldy cherries that are just gonna go bad in one day. So anyway, it's at the top Because of the hour here, and I want to thank everybody for for joining us for this veggie q&a. And I think we have some more of them coming up. And you can join us to see what's going on in the garden in the upcoming weeks as we wind our way through our our best growing season here in Oregon.

Elizabeth Records  59:25  
This is Elizabeth OSU Extension. Again, I just wanted to mention that you can find out about more of our offerings from our website or Facebook page. So we're with the Master Gardener program of Linn and Benton County. And the folks who joined us today are from Benton County Master Gardener Association. So thank you. I'd also like to thank our guests, Frank and Dawn and Deanna, and we're contemplating offering this and some other languages. Emily's offered it in American Sign Language before and we've also had the past civility of maybe offering it in Spanish in future. So keep your eyes open for folks that are interested in this but, or have a friend or family member who doesn't have a reliable internet connection, we're going to be offering some dial in versions of this event. So you can find that on our page and, and share that information with your friends who maybe are a little bit less connected. And with that, I want to say thank you and good luck with gardening for everyone. You can always reach out to master gardeners anytime with any questions that come up until our next q&a.

Brooke Edmunds  1:00:35  
Thanks for joining us and check out more great gardening information online at extension.oregonstate.edu


This episode focuses on vegetable gardening in the Willamette Valley and features Benton County Master Gardeners and special guests Sue Domingues, Emily Herb, Jennifer Klammer, and Elizabeth Records. This session was recorded live online on June 23, 2020.

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