9 - June Gardening Q&A - Klamath, Deschutes & Curry County

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Brooke Edmunds  0:05  
Thanks for joining us for another OSU Extension garden q&a. This session features horticultural experts Nicole Sanchez in Klamath County, Tony Stephen in Deschutes County and Scott Thiemann in Curry County. This session was recorded live online in early June 2020. Welcome everybody to the garden gap q&a with OSU Extension. My name is Brooke Edmunds and I'm just helping out from up in Linn and Benton County. And for folks that are joining us on the zoom, you have an opportunity to have your question answered live. So feel free to type out your question you'll see a q&a box and that's a great place to put your questions so we can answer them and then keep doing the follow up on them if they you get managed to stump us which totally might happen and right

So that'll be a great place to do that and we can't see or hear you. So don't worry about barking dogs or you know, eating your lunch or any of that, feel free to do that. And so I'm gonna let Nicole introduce herself and then she can pass it off to one of our other speakers to introduce themselves.

Nicole Sanchez  1:19  
Hi, Nicole from Klamath Falls here I serve Klamath lake and Harney counties, run the Master Gardener program and also work with our consumer and commercial growers in the area. Toni

Toni Stephan  1:35  
Yeah, I'm Toni Stephan from Deschutes County. I work with a Master Gardener program primarily horticulture and some small farms, especially grass pasture, and weeds.

You're on Scott.

Scott Thiemann  1:52  
Good morning. Hello. My name is Scott Thiemans and I coordinate the Master Gardener program here in Curry County.

Nicole Sanchez  2:00  
You have some beautiful hydrangeas behind you are those from your garden?

Scott Thiemann  2:04  
Yeah, they're pretty dry.

They've been there a while.

Good. That's, that's what they're meant to do.

Back to you, Nicole.

Nicole Sanchez  2:19  
Yeah. So we looks like we've already got a question, Brooke.

Brooke Edmunds  2:22  
Yeah. So Lynn wants to know, dealing with cucumber beetles and squash beetles help. So two different insects. So I don't know if any of you folks have experience managing these critters. I know that they can get really high numbers, at least for cucumber beetles, squash bugs you're less familiar with.

Nicole Sanchez  2:46  
Yeah, so the squash beetle that looks like the ladybug we have there is a squash beetle. But there's also a squash bug that is in the true bug family. So those are two different critters. And the reason that that matters for both of those, one of the things I would recommend is making sure we're looking for the eggs. So in the case of the beetle, it looks like a little yellow football and they're usually lined up in groups. But in the case of the bug, it looks a little bit more like a barrel. And those are usually laid on the undersides of leaves sometimes so get brave and lay them on the tops of leaves as well. But by being able to identify those and scrape them off, my grandpa used to do it with this thumbnail. Some folks are a little queasy and might prefer like the dull side of the blade of a knife. But learning to identify those eggs and to gently scrape them off of the leaf is one of the IPM strategies we can use so we can remove them before they even hatch. Another one that is a little intensive but can reduce our chemical uses just that soapy jar of water like a wide mouth mason jar with some soapy water. And with some practice it's pretty easy to flick them right into that jar of soapy water. Both of those are pretty slow fliers or slow Movers. We can move into chemicals there are chemicals available for that, but we usually want to try to avoid those so that we can promote our pollinators in those plants this particular time of year so if you can flick the adults into some soapy water and then keep your eyes open for those eggs and smush the eggs before they have a chance to hatch. That helps a lot. It does take some time though.

Brooke Edmunds  4:46  
Do you guys have cucumber beetles into shoots county Tony? No, those are I'm sure we probably have a few but we don't I have actually never seen them and come into my clinic and squash, squash bugs, squash beetle we don't have here either. So they're, we're pretty blessed. You are lucky. Yeah, we have them here too. And a lot of times, folks will even put like a row cover over the plants if they can get in there before because the cucumber beetles like the spot and and the stripe, they're really mobile, hard to catch. Now they said they can see you coming and they're gonna fly. So sometimes people will use a thin row cover to protect crops that they know are sensitive, if they can get it on there ahead of time before the beetles get in there.

Nicole Sanchez  5:32  
And thanks for mentioning that. If you're going to try to catch those in the soapy water doing that early in the morning when it's still cool, they are much, much slower than and I also wanted to mention for those who might have picked up on me mentioning that the squash beetle is in the ladybug family. It's a little larger than most of our beneficial ladybugs and that's probably the best way We're going to be able to distinguish it and then we're also going to be associating with it with that feeding you're going to see the chewing whereas with the predatory ladybugs you wouldn't but size is about the biggest thing. Color wise both they and the cucumber beetles can be so varied in their color that's not really a good feature to use for ID

Brooke Edmunds  6:25  
Linda's mentioning that she's taken duct tape with the sticky side out and kind of wrapped it around her hand and then use that like if this is the leaf use that to like press and then pick things up and then she would see them there and so kind of a homemade IPN sticky trap. So my

Nicole Sanchez  6:45  
grandpa will be super proud of her

Scott Thiemann  6:53  
to do that

great idea.

Nicole Sanchez  6:57  
So there there are bug backs too, and that starts getting into a little bit of money. But there are, I know a few gardeners who love to use their bug back in the garden. So as an option as well, by having chickens, you can let the chickens loose in that patch for a little while. And not for long though, because the plants will be soon after the bug. So you'd want to keep an eye on.

Brooke Edmunds  7:21  
Great. And if anybody else has questions, if you find that q&a box, you can post your question in there and we'll do our best to answer that question live. One, just one more a little follow up from Lynn, where did the Beatles lay their eggs? Where should she maybe be targeting what parts of the plant so they're

Nicole Sanchez  7:41  
going to be on the leaves and depending on the amount, I think a lot of it has to do with the angle of the sunlight, whether they're gonna put it on the top or on the bottom of the leaves, but they're lined up and they're pretty bright yellow for the squash beetle.

Toni Stephan  7:58  
It looks similar to Lady Lady beetle.

Nicole Sanchez  8:00  
Yes, and they're kind of a football shape. And they'll be in a little mass of maybe like 20 or so eggs in a group and a pretty bright color so that they'll be easy to see once she starts looking for him. Great.

Brooke Edmunds  8:14  
All right, so our question queue is empty you all I know you have something to ask. I did get a couple by email just now. So I'm gonna I don't see Rebecca on here, but I'm going to answer her question. So Rebecca sent in two questions. Let me just pull this up. So one is a weed question dealing with bind weed. How To Get Rid of blind weed. Do you deal with this? Tony Scott Nicole, you have find weed issues where you're at?

Toni Stephan  8:46  
We have bindweed. What a nasty one. I would have to look up chemically if there's the cultural management for this Be due till the soil or dig the soil over and over and over and over and over and over and not let the weed get reestablished and then dig the soil or kill it again and again and again, you know about every three weeks or so in a progression. And you would do this for a long time and think that you've gotten rid of the bind weed. But the bind weed roots can go really, really deep. So you may get rid of it for a few years, but it most likely would reappear. But, so culturally, that's about the best you can do that I know of for buying weed. I mean, obviously, you can pull the top and stuff but to deal with the roots, you really have to work at it for a long time. chemically, there are things like the Things systemics that go down into the root that you could apply to the plant in the later part of the summer or early fall, that would move this chemical into the roots and do a fairly good job of, of killing the taking out the bind weed again made for a while, but those systemics things, I think that track clip here would be one of those ingredients and glyphosate for those people who are okay with using glyphosate.

And let's see, is that so that that those are the two that I know that would be fairly effective?

Nicole Sanchez  10:45  
So does that also spread by seed Tony, like the other Morning Glory type? eyes?

Toni Stephan  10:51  
I would imagine that it does. You know, I would imagine I don't, I haven't read that. But it's just because I haven't read It I, it's a flooring plant. So yeah, it's kind of sprayed by seeds. I

Nicole Sanchez  11:03  
think that other seeds of that group are pretty long live. So depending on how much there is, there might be some value in removing seed heads before they can spread, when, you know, you brought up something really important about the timing of when the herbicide would be applied. And it's not until later in the year, right. And so what can somebody do now? Or, you know, like if if pinching the seed heads off would help suppress it, and then you could add that later in the season. Sometimes it's so hard to wait but the timing on those kind of herbicide applications to fit with what's going on with the plant is really important to the success right. That is correct. That

Toni Stephan  11:47  
is correct. And so you made a good point there, Nicole about removing the the flowers and the seed source. But, you know with by Finally, I'm not sure that that's I mean, I suppose a weed eater mower something like that might be effective. And if you can yank out some of the top portion of that plant, but you want to leave a good amount, you know, so that you can apply a chemical if that's what you're choosing to do. Sure.

Brooke Edmunds  12:15  
Yeah. And I would be careful because any little piece of that bind weed can then start a new bind weed plant. Indeed, indeed, yeah, we actually have this in our backyard now we got a load of bark

mulch.

And it must have had either the seeds, some stem pieces on it. And now our entire backyard is finally if we weren't, if we didn't manage it, it would probably get like six feet tall and just be a big jumble of bind weight. And so we don't even let it get to the point of flowering Nicole like we're out there every all the time. Just you know taking it back and even if you have like, one of the little lines that comes out, and then you pull it out, it will come back with like, 50 up on a deal slide. It's just like you made it mad. Mickey has a comment. Sounds like her mom had bind weed. And she would let it grow a little bit and then pull it out. And so just kind of like starving it out. Like if the plant would use its carbohydrates to grow out and then they would get back in there. Yeah, find me is a really terrible weed. Some of the resources will say, you know, put a deep mulch. It will just eventually grow up through the deep mulch. And

Toni Stephan  13:29  
yeah, yeah. So

yeah, pinching it off like that. Like, like what you just mentioned, Brooke, from the lady. That's basically the same thing as you're killing it in and you're you're just not letting it get a hold. And so you're starving to death, using up all those the energy from those roots and hopefully wiping it out.

But that takes a long time. It does.

Brooke Edmunds  13:53  
Yeah, I mean, I've read that sometimes the roots can go 20 feet deep and it will go and pop up. Other places. Yeah.

Scott Thiemann  14:01  
It's so important, I think for so many weeds to just be on top of them from the beginning. You know, I mean, honestly, when you first see something, you know, I saw I one time when I was doing landscaping work, I saw this little start of gorse that I passed by and passed by it was getting a little taller and taller. And by the time I got to it, I mean, it had thorns on it. And you know, I just said, Man, I'm glad I'm pulling this now because it's so easy for that stuff to get established dad and, you know, scotch broom and all that kind of thing. So, especially as long as the seeds last in the soil. So, you know, managing often really is the physical, it's the physical, getting into it right at the beginning and trying to nip it in the bud.

Brooke Edmunds  14:54  
Definitely, um, Rebecca also had another question. Too many windows up in here. And here we go. This is about the plant burning bush, you want to miss plants. And so she noticed that at a local garden shop, there was one that was a really dark green color compared to some of the other ones that she's seen, which are like a brighter green. And she's kind of curious if this is something because there was a fertilizer issue with that, or maybe it was a different cultivar. So I don't know how familiar you are if you grow this type of plant there. I'm going to put a link in the chat to our OSU landscape plant ID site which has some more information about this plant.

Nicole Sanchez  15:50  
So I can't roll cultivar names off the top of my head but there are multiple multiple cultivars of that and I think she's right on track. It's either it's a different cultivar that just naturally has a deeper coat color. Or it is possible that somebody gave all their stuff a great shot of fertilizer before it went out and send it out with some nice green color. And it looks different than another batch. Without the plants, it's hard to say. But both of those are really likely scenarios. I think that reference from University of Minnesota, Minnesota that I bring up that has all the shrubs for cold climates, I think has some different cultivars of that. Particular.

Brooke Edmunds  16:42  
I'm wondering too, if it could be even the time of year that maybe there's, you know, we know that particular shrub is the one that gets its name because it turns that bright, red flaming color. So it could be even that it's just the age of beliefs to maybe you know, later darker and then the fertilizer there. Yeah. All right. So Cheryl has a question. We're going to switch gears here talking about poison oak that particularly rampant this year is done an application of crossbow. This is an herbicide already last month. It was effective and she wants to know, she correct that they have to do repeat applications of crossbow. Now I'm going to pull up I know we have an extension publication on poison oak. So I'm going to pull that up really quick for folks that are listening. If any of you have experience managing poison oak, I see it and run. I've never tried to even like I've never personally tried to manage poison oak.

Toni Stephan  17:49  
We don't have I don't I'm not experienced with poison oak but I do believe it's a perennial is and so being a perennial like this again Good Time to to treat perennials chemically is in the fall. So that they're actually taking the herbicide a systemic herbicide into the roots. So if it's something at home that you're talking about, you know, treating it now you're going to you're going to knock it back but you're not going to kill it. So, again, perennials, they want to store their energy in their roots to get through the winter into start up the next year. So that is a really good time to apply a systemic chemical to so that that chemical moves into those roots and actually kills the roots and therefore would kill the plant.

Nicole Sanchez  18:49  
So it looks like Brooks got the link up there. You know, we had a tons of poison oak and poison ivy back in the south, and I can say a few Word to the wise about when you go to remove it, particularly if you're looking to remove it from when it grows up the sides of the trees. So, one approach I've seen a lot of people use is to spray it and also to chop it. But it's important to keep in mind that the compounds in these that people are allergic to can remain active even though it looks like the leaves of the plant are dead. I have known many people to say they're going to pull the vines out and it looks like the vines are dead and then they just get eaten up with it all over the place. It's really important to wait till after that second application in the fall, and for freezing temperatures and that's when you actually pull it and remove it from the tree to be absolutely sure that you're not going to be exposed to that stuff is the vine can look on outside like the leaves are all curled up and dried but there's enough in that vine. That's right. lining up the tree to really mess with people who are allergic to it

Scott Thiemann  20:06  
Yeah, that's that's a plant we have a lot of here on the coast as well and one of the issues with with spraying it too late in the season is being deciduous. I don't think it's tremendously effective to wait too long so you know, maybe later summer might be better and too late in the season and as Nicole just said, why the vines can be just as you react to notice as much as the leaves like pulling nose and you definitely that's something you don't want to burn. So

Nicole Sanchez  20:44  
I was just getting ready to say that some friends of mine burn some wood with it at a beach party time and multiples of them went to the bar over it. It was horrendous.

Scott Thiemann  20:56  
Yeah, do not burn it. Yeah, yeah.

Toni Stephan  21:01  
So thanks God, I should clarify. When I say late summer fall, we're really talking about late summer fall for the actual plant, not for human beings. Lance, Lance actually start as soon as we hit summer solstice, and the days start getting shorter. Plants are thinking, Oh, it's time for me to start storing energy my roots. So even even like you say, Scott, on a deciduous plant, late July, early August is fall for them. So good point. Thank you. Yeah.

Nicole Sanchez  21:37  
That difference when those days start getting significantly shorter is really noticeable here in Oregon, right? Like you start picking up like wow, the days are getting shorter. So that's a great when we start picking up on that that should be a reminder that that's the trigger for us to take care of some of those things when we start noticing that is it Off gradual, right? They're just a little bit shorter, but then they start really getting noticeably. So

Brooke Edmunds  22:07  
yeah. And so Cheryl, you have a good point that she's dealing with this at her house. And her intention is not to eradicate all of the poison oak on her property, but just the areas where she knows she might, or her family or pets might come in contact with it. So this is what a lot of folks will do is if they have a bigger acreage, and they have some brush, and they have maybe areas where they walk or where their dogs go, because dogs can also pick up this oil and carry it back to their bedding and whatnot. So yeah, managing what you need to manage makes a lot of sense when you're dealing with herbicides. And then I think a lot of things like crossbow, the plants need to be fully growing like they need to be in active growth for that particular chemistry to be effective. So yeah, yeah, that's a tough one. So good luck, Cheryl. If anybody out there listening has questions for our panelists Feel free to put them into the q&a and we'll try to do our best to answer them live. While we're waiting for folks to put in some questions, I'm going to ask you guys maybe one by one what what are some good things to be planting in this time of year in the area where where you're at what is kind of recommended that it's okay to be planting? Is it gardening season open where you're at? Or is there still may be cool at night? What do you guys think?

Scott Thiemann  23:43  
I would say that there's um

when it comes to especially animals, you could be doing those anytime and a lot of people are still planning knows it's milder here on the coast. I think it's going to be different for both Nicola and Tony in the areas they live in. You know, I would always if possible, I would plan out larger shrubs and trees in the autumn still, even here on the coast because they have a good chance to get established through the winter. We've had a real mild and wet May I guess I shouldn't say so mild, but it's been pretty boys. So if folks have been planning they they've had the good luck of having Mother Nature water for them. And it's not we've had not not really had too much in the way of weren't even warm temperatures yet, but it seems that you know, here on the coast, you can plant almost year round but you always we have dry summers so if you aren't on top of watering, things dry out way faster than people realize. So you know, I I'd err on the side of caution and just try to do it earlier in New York possible.

Nicole Sanchez  24:58  
So here in Klamath lake. The first week of June is like that's the golden time when it's okay to put all your warm season vegetables out, right? You got some really cool nights this first week of June and several Frost's the first week of June and the last few years. But vegetable growers have the conundrum that if they don't eventually go ahead and get it out, the season is pretty short to begin with here where we're at, right? So if you don't get that stuff out, even with the Knights being cool, they're going to be too cool on the other end of the growing so, right, because the growing season is so short. So this is when most folks are putting things out. But here we've got that caveat that there's still going to be some night protection. And this is where a soil thermometer can really be helpful in making some of those kind of decisions, you know, because the soil temp is probably underrated as something to think about in terms of In particular, those warm season vegetables like cucumbers and tomatoes and squashes and beans and those things, soil temps pretty important for them. What's going on for you, Tony?

Toni Stephan  26:12  
Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing to call the garden season the vegetable garden season is is open right now. For those tender those tender vegetables and so forth, because we also have that short growing season is really important, probably getting them in the ground between now in the next say 10 days. Season extenders are still good options. Because like in Klamath, we're going to be getting some cooler nights. In fact, between from last Friday to this Friday, we're going to have a 30 degree temperature drop, I'm sure I'm sure all of you are having a temperature drop but that's the daytime temperature. I don't see anything going down into the freezer. But yeah, you know, the higher elevations certainly we could be getting some freezes too. So keep your season extenders handy. Put out your, your, your heat loving plants, your tomatoes, your peppers and so forth, then just have your season extender ready to cover them. Yep, that's right.

Nicole Sanchez  27:22  
That's right. I think it's worthwhile to make sure that folks are aware of hardening off to so it you know, in areas like where you are Tony into shoots, and here in Klamath, you know, there's a lot of things that people in a longer growing season would go ahead and see directly into the ground outdoors, that we would start indoors, because our season is so compressed, and so that's great. We can work around that. But we can't just stick that stuff outside and forget about it when our Knights are still going down into the 40s. They're really nice. To be a hardening off process, and that's basically kind of introducing those lower temperatures and more of a gradual way and less of a shocking way. An analogy that some folks might be familiar with is introducing a new fish to a tank, right? Don't you leave it in the bag and let it like acclimate to the water temperature, something like that, because you don't want to shock it. So that's something to keep in mind. For those that have been waiting that have been starting all that stuff and are nice warm homes and waiting for that opportunity to put it outside.

Scott Thiemann  28:33  
I walked away from my chair for a minute because I wanted to show you guys just how important soil temperature is. It's incredible. I had two tomatoes that one was staring at the other one through the glass. I did this purposely have my you know, sliding glass door on the deck. So this was one tomato and it just kind Sitting there, um, you know, it needs to go into the soil, it would grow a little bit. I have one of these that's much bush here, but not that much taller that I put out early on. And then

the same size one.

I put in this container about Oh, it's been two weeks ago that was that size, a little bit bigger than that I had it growing inside in a gallon container. So it was about Oh, probably about two thirds of that size or half of that size. So it's it's taken off, it's in a warm spot, but just getting it started inside made such a difference. Yes.

Nicole Sanchez  29:44  
That's a great visual. You know, one thing that is so baffling to me about a lot of our cool season vegetables in particular, is that they'll grow just fine in the 40s and 50s. But there it is. seed germination temperature is in the 60s and 70s. And a couple cases, even the 80s, right and so if we put that stuff in the ground, it'll sit there forever. Temperatures are in the 40s or 50s. So for a place like Klamath and into chutes counties, it makes so much sense to be starting things indoors because germinate so much better there. But it's so surprising to me that those things that grow really well in the cooler temperatures often germinate at much higher temperatures than you'd think. And I've given that a lot of thought for here in Klamath County, relative to when there's snow on the ground. Early in the season, you know, people are already starting to itch as soon as that gets gone. But when the ground is cold and saturated with all that snow that hasn't had a chance to disperse yet. The seeds are gonna sit there forever. There's no way to get started early on that stuff so yes, I'm gonna have to make more space in the garage for start vegetable starts.

Scott Thiemann  31:06  
Well it's kind of the same here on the coast. I mean, we, if you put a lot of plants in the ground like tomatoes or especially peppers or something like that you just aren't going to see hardly any growth even in mid May, you know, that's usually when we say it's pretty much safe to plan things out here. And yet, we do have a long season for the Cool, cool, um, vegetable that you know, like fall and winter here just fine. So, you know, it depends what it is. Some things do really well and some things take forever to get going. porns another one.

Toni Stephan  31:45  
It's got you you just hit on something that I think is really important.

It was probably April when I started getting my first questions about I've got these tomatoes that I started at the end of April or so many No as middle and this is, you know, they're tall, they're they're ready to get put out, can I put them out of my garden? And I was thinking about, Well, sure you can get them on deck out in the garden, they'll freeze but you can put them out there. But so that's so important that people think about the soil temperature you can put out there and you can put on that that season extender that might make the plant survive might keep it alive, but the soil is still cold and that plant is really not going to be thriving and maybe surviving. And if they just wait till mid May or even like the first of June that soil has warmed up so much more. That plant is going to be happy. And if you plant then it's going to be grow much faster than that plant in the ground for a month and a half already.

That's true.

Brooke Edmunds  33:04  
Right? Well, that was really impressive. Scott, thank you for sharing your four little baby and tortured having a watch to the glass is not very nice. So Brittany has a question about blueberries. So she's been looking for the list of cultivars. I'm gonna put that list in the chat here in just a moment. So OSU Extension, our blueberry specialist, Bernadine Strix, she puts together a list of all of the cultivars that she's trialed, and make some remarks on the fruit quality and you know how well the plants grow. And so there is a list and I'll put that in the chat. So she tried to pick one to grow. And it's been wondering what makes plants great for home growing but maybe less good for commercial producers of blueberries.

Nicole Sanchez  34:01  
So, commercial production, in some cases actually moving to mechanized harvest. And so, the cultivars are usually taller, they might be pruned a little bit differently. But that goes into and also, excuse me, for mechanized harvest. When we go into breeding, we even think about things like whether the fruit will drop its petiole so that we don't have to clean those off. I mean, there's, there's all kinds of things that would go into it for a commercial variety. A lot of the cold season varieties for consumers are really compact varieties to make it easier to frost protected for people to try to contain or grow if they want to. So we have several of those cold varieties for consumers that stay really small.

Don't be afraid to prune your blueberries they need so much more pruning than people give them For. So that's a really important for production of those.

Brooke Edmunds  35:04  
It's really hard when you first buy a blueberry plant. And then the advice is to basically prune off any flowers and really give them that good pruning for like two years and you're like, No, I want pie now, but if you have that patience, like Nicole mentioned, you're going to get a much healthier push in the long run. That will give you a lot more production if you just have a little bit of patience there. So Right,

Nicole Sanchez  35:32  
right, once they get going, it's a whole different story. Right. So our bait our blueberries are cane producers. So most blueberries are grown on a three year system, and you're going to remove that entire cane after three years. And so for the folks that haven't grown blueberries before, that feels really difficult, like you said, Brooke, but in fact with our cane growers that promotes the growth of those new canes and they'll send them a vigorous So you just have to be willing to take the plunge with that. And as you train your eye, the newer canes have a much different color to the wood. And they start getting much darker and then grayer as they get really old. So it gets pretty easy to tell which ones to trim out with a little bit of practice. So that's going to be really important. It's very counterintuitive, right? It feels like you're cutting all the production away but for our cane plants, it's really invigorates them.

Good question.

Brooke Edmunds  36:35  
Tony. Do you grow blueberries or their blueberries where you're at? Or is that a difficult to shoot? We

Toni Stephan  36:43  
grow blueberries primarily in containers, our pH, the soil pH here is maybe 6.8 at the low and in most places, to 7.2. That's the average pH Some places in Cook County can be even higher than nine. So with blueberries, they like what a 5.0 to 5.5 Ph. So we are way too out when our native soil. So if people do want to do blueberries, we suggest containerizing them it's much easier to keep that pH regulated. If they do grow them in the ground, then yeah, that you definitely have to pay attention to pH of the soil.

About us not a commercial crop. I'm sorry, it's not a commercial crop. Yeah.

Scott Thiemann  37:37  
Be quite commercial here we have picking fields especially up toward laneways. Not not that we don't have others scattered throughout curry, but people do really well with them here in general. You know, the pH is what they like. So we have very acidic conditions here on the coast in general. And so it's a good place to grow generally

Brooke Edmunds  38:00  
Yeah, so Brittany, that's that's the other piece of advice. If you're going to put them in the ground, do a soil test look for that pH It is really important for them to be healthy or maybe try containers too. And then I want to add on to that cult of our list if anybody out there is interested in growing up other small fruits like strawberries or any of the blackberries, raspberries, they're similar cultivar lists out of OSU and there's also a lot of wonderful publications about how to grow these in a home garden that you might find useful in our extension catalog. Bernadine and some other teammates are actually working on an update to the blueberry one right now. So that'll be updated to include some of these newer varieties that have been tested recently. And the coast folks joining us from the coast you have your own set of special publications just for you about growing small fruits on the coast. So I'll put a couple links about how to find those In the in the chat box Vicki has a question about and I think this is going back to the discussion we were having on soil temperature, asking is the soil warmer in a raised garden bed versus in ground.

Nicole Sanchez  39:19  
So usually so

usually So, um, one of the things that can really warm up the soil is black plastic or black landscape fabric. And you know, a lot of folks are reluctant to use very much plastic in their garden that doesn't seem very earth friendly. But there's some reasons to think about that, in particular, where the season is very short. In terms of how much it does warm the soil, that's probably the quickest way to do it. And, you know, Scott, you were thinking about your you mentioned corn earlier in trying to get corn growing, you know, not to use too many Southern references Back when I worked with growers in the south, it was always a race to get sweet corn by the Fourth of July because you and a premium for Fourth of July sweet corn and so one grower started doing this and then they all caught it on but they would plant a small patch of their corn in black plastic too, because that warm the soil up so much that they could guarantee having Fourth of July corn and so the premium that they could command for that corn made it worth putting under the plastic if that makes sense because of the difference in how much it did warm up the soil. So mulch can do that sometimes, um, and and beyond. It's kind of like the ocean in that the water temperature doesn't fluctuate back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Right. So in the wintertime when the temperatures go down, the water stays warmer for a little While and then it follows the air temperature. So the soil is going to be like that to some degree. And so when we do things like malt or we put landscape fabric, it not only does it warm the temperature quickly in the spring, but it also shrinks a little bit of that back and forth back and forth back and forth between the high and the low. And I think you have that in Deschutes. County to Tony. One things that I'm realizing as I spend more time here in Klamath is that that is really stressful for some of our plants, these huge spreads between the high and the low. And so um, a mulch in the summertime helps that not happened to the soil and reduces the stress on the plants. So as far as saying like one way to warm the soil is better than another. I think it very much depends on what you're trying to grow like for a printing Or for a shrub that I might be trying to stretch where it's growing, my warmer soil might be a place that's right next to the foundation of my house or my driveway or stone wall, right? But that's trouble production, my means of warming that soil I might make a very different choice.

Toni Stephan  42:20  
The thing about raised beds, they do warm faster. In Central Oregon we have fairly light colored soils. So just adding compost, like Nicole said mulch or black plastic but compost even here, it changes the color of the soil. So the darker your soil is you will also warm up faster and raise beds green faster, so their sales are going to warm up faster automatically. If you do nothing else. The soil in a raised bed is going to warm faster than a flat surface soil, the ground Because the the, they just drain fasters kind of holding a sponge flat like this or holding it on an edge, you'll notice so much more water comes out if you hold a sponge on edge than if you hold it flat. And that's the same concept with the with the raised bed. It's it drains much faster so it warms up faster. But getting at good dark color that whether it be plastic landscape fabric mulch or compost that you can work into your soil and change the color of your soil is going to help warm it up to

Brooke Edmunds  43:39  
so I think this is our last call for questions into the q&a. And we would love to help you out and if not, if you think of a question later, just reach out to your county extension office and they'll get you in touch with us are all working from home but we're still checking our phones and email And we're happy to happy to get you connected with information. I did put another link into the chat for an idea to make a cover for a raised bed. So if that's something where maybe you're in an area where you need to extend your growing season, you can build a little structure that fits over the top of your race bed and that will warm up your soil even more helpful. All right, so maybe we can wrap it up with some last advice. For Brittany, our beginning gardener. What do you guys think are some pieces of advice that you would give to someone who is maybe a first time gardener in your area? what's what's your top tips? I see you turn your mic off. Scott, you want to go?

Scott Thiemann  44:44  
Yeah, I really want to say something here. I want you to go for it. I really do. I we have a program we're doing here in Curry, the seed to supper program and we go through various aspects of gardening you know, starting from how to determine Where to even place it. And, you know, you're always going to make mistakes, there's always going to be challenges. Certain cultivars of seeds of one vegetable might do better than others. Just experiment, you know, try, you know, if you have to raise beds, try one with some fertilizer, maybe one without and just see how the results compare. Don't be afraid to try things. And the other thing I'd really recommend is to start small. Don't Don't try to do a huge project or huge garden at once because, you know, it could be overwhelming for one thing and it could be a real discouragement if you know if things don't work out really well. Or like you expect and give yourself a lot of room just to to be playful. Have fun with it.

Nicole Sanchez  45:58  
That's great advice. Scott, being willing to play but starting small that was going to be one of the things that I said because we can overwhelm ourselves so easily and there is a physical aspect to gardening right so we can hurt ourselves. One of my favorite farmers had a tip for managing that trying new stuff. He allowed himself three new cultivars, so he was a produce grower. And every year he picked three new things and he would get excited about his three new things and, you know, think about them and stuff, but he limited to three, so he didn't like go crazy and go overboard with it. You know, I was so excited to get my kids invited and interested in vegetable gardening. They wanted the six pack of every single type of tomato that exists, right. So we got to curb that a little bit. My advice for beginning gardeners is regarding internet gardening stuff, there's so much information out there. And so my tip is that consider The place where that information comes from geographically is one of the most important things we can do. So here we are just representing one state. And we've got pretty different growing conditions just across the four of us. So imagine how different information about for instance, the squash beetle, that we talked about earlier, might be for completely different places. You know, you got all kinds of things like weather conditions, and how long the growing season that impact which diseases and insects become problems. So really paying attention to where that information comes from can save you from some of those mistakes that we're still going to make.

Toni Stephan  47:46  
And I say a lot of people like to start seeds start their own seeds. But as a beginning gardener, I think it's it's a good thing to use transplants. You know, don't be afraid to use transplants It's okay It's fine. It's great. You get to choose from a bunch of different kinds and then and read about them and you don't have to worry about did I put my seeds in at the right time? Is it the right temperature Do I have the right amount of time before they, they're when they're growing before I have to transplant them. I use transplants a lot because I don't have time to start seeing and you know you different different places have different different varieties. So if you don't like one variety when next next year, you can try another or you can try two or three varieties at the same time like Nicole and Scott have already said and then compare which one you like. And then the next year keep the your favorite one and try some others and so it gives you a lot of flexibility transplants do and you don't have to buy a bunch a C packet that has you know 30 different tomato plants. Then you decide you don't like that I mean 30 different seeds 30 seeds of the same tomato plant and you decide you don't like that tomato plant and you know when you do the rest to see that it's fun to experiment and you kind of learn what you like. And then you can kind of start saying, okay, I really like this one, I'm going to plant this one every year and so on, but transplants are great. Don't be afraid of them.

Nicole Sanchez  49:25  
That's great. Tony, you remind me of another suggestion that I make a lot nice to keep a gardening journal. Right? So if you're thinking about those different varieties, I would love to think I was going to remember from one year to the next the name of it right but life often proves otherwise and so on. Don't be like me, don't leave it outside to get rained on. But if you just keep you know you can keep some notes about when you plant how much you get whether you had problems with it or not just brief notes, but I have found when I maintain one Well, that it's a really valuable tool.

Brooke Edmunds  50:05  
Scott. It's like sorting through my receipts like what did I buy? What? How many

Nicole Sanchez  50:11  
was it enough?

Brooke Edmunds  50:13  
Yeah, I don't even like that. I don't know. It's had a cool name.

Oh, hold on. You're on mute. Scott. There you go.

Oh, he's on mute. Let me see if I can unmute him.

Unknown Speaker  50:28  
Oh, I can't unmute him. You're on mute.

Unknown Speaker  50:31  
On Hey, we can't hear you

Nicole Sanchez  50:32  
unmute yourself. You're guarded. Oh, okay.

Scott Thiemann  50:36  
All right here. You didn't really want to listen to me anyhow.

Yeah, this is a from the sea to supper book. And I just love this chart with all the aspects of things to consider when you're planning and if you keep records like this, you know, and there's I'm sure you could find these available various places. I know it's in the online, CD supper book. And I could send that that is something that maybe prove useful to you guys, because it just is such a concise way to keep track of what you're planning and when and where and how and just all of the things you might consider.

Brooke Edmunds  51:22  
I'm going to put this link. So the CETA soccer program is with the Oregon Food Bank, but they do have the curriculum online, and you can download it. But many of our extension offices across the state also sponsor these classes. So now that we're doing a lot of virtual education, you might see them being offered as an online resource. When we're able to get back to face to face, we'll be having these classes in person. So it will be a really good resource if you're a beginner gardener so

Toni Stephan  51:57  
yeah,

Brooke Edmunds  51:58  
yeah. All right. Well, I think we're at time, I don't see any more questions. Do you want to wrap us up Nicole with any last words for your garden gab?

Nicole Sanchez  52:09  
This one I appreciate. Let everybody know how much I appreciate you being here. I hope this is helpful for you. And, Brooke, thank you so much for hosting and also for posting all those really helpful links for votes. And the follow up you do with the email so that we make sure people get questions answered Brittany say and now that she likes being able to have that information online. So who knows maybe this is something will continue into the future. I just really appreciate the opportunity to hear what people are thinking about. And I really like the way that this is developed where we can kind of compare and contrast different regions and what that looks like. It's, it's really informative for me. Thank you.

Brooke Edmunds  52:51  
Great. All right. Well, thank you everybody, for joining in today and I'm gonna go ahead and Say goodbye to everybody.

Thank you. Enjoy your gardens everybody have a great one. Thanks for joining us and check out more great gardening information online at extension.oregonstate.edu

This episode features horticultural experts Nicole Sanchez in Klamath County, Toni Stephan in Deschutes County, and Scott Thiemann in Curry County. This episode was recorded live online in early June 2020.

Some questions answered include how to best treat poison-oak with herbicide, managing the dreaded perennial bindweed, what to do about cucumber beetles, and tips & encouragement for beginning gardeners. 

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